# any top?

**Is there an ultimate outside, or does the ladder go on forever?**

Each outside is a stronger system. Platonism says the top is the numbers themselves. The ladder view says there is no top.

Connects to:
- [three views](https://mapideas.org/i/tr_views)
- [theorist inside?](https://mapideas.org/i/c_q2)

Source: https://mapideas.org/i/tr_q1 · open on the map: https://mapideas.org/#tr_q1